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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.10.21 10:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Tuxford
yeah well I guess "tackler" isn't the right name for it. It's more just of a fast combat frigate. And lets not get nuts on boosting the fast frigates shall we they still cost only about 50k. I don't want to make them to specialized either as that would push new players away from using it.
Right. Personally for me i wont be flying these anyway. If i want to tackle ill take a Stiletto, its just that simple. People will always go for the best ship for the job, and for tech1 tacklers thatll still be the Vigil. Except for a few PIE nutcases, noone will use the Executioner.
So what about the other two questions? Where's the EWAR and Scout frigates?
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.10.21 10:37:00 -
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I know they have a Frigate less. It's been one of my pet annoyances since retail. Devs always refuse to answer why we dont have the last frigate.
But it's because Amarr were introduced as an unfinished race at retail. Explains the lack of models for the sixth frigate, and for the second industrial.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.10.21 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Dude, you want a cheap as arse frigate to be better at tackling than a interceptor?
'Dude', i want a tackling frigate thats actually usefull. Please point me to where i wanted a 4 medslot tech1 tackler. (There already is, but wtf)
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.10.21 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Nafri
Elve, do you really play?
Cruzifier is the amarr EW frig, with 3 mids and bonus to tracking disruptors
Maulus is gallente EW frig, with 3 mids and bonus to dampeners
NONE tackling frig has 3 midslots, alone that the amarr one has 2 you should be quite happy, you got a better atron now
Did you bother to read the first post in this thread? You'll notice the Amarr EWAR and Scouting frigate are missing, along with the Maulus.
And before you bother, yes id like to see all Tacklers with 3 medslots, not just the Executioner. Its just retarded that half of the Assault Frigs are better tacklers then the actual Tackler frigs.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.10.21 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Leshrac Shepherd
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Did you bother to read the first post in this thread? You'll notice the Amarr EWAR and Scouting frigate are missing, along with the Maulus.
Missing from the pos, yeah, but not missing from the game. The crucifier is the amarr EW frigate, having a nice Tracking Disruptor Bonus. It does not appear in the post because it is not getting changed, not because there isn't an amarr or gallente EW frigate.
We amarr do lack a frigate, but it's not the EW one.
I know, thanks. 
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.10.21 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 21/10/2005 13:54:31
Alright, since noone seems to like my 3medslot tackler idea, hows this:
All the 'Tackler' Frigates receive a 20% bonus to Warp Scrambler / Disruptor range per level. So at level5 that would double the Scrambling range.
Now, the beauty (imho) is that this bonus would only be usefull for the Scramblers. None of these frigates have the locking range to use the Disruptor at their max range (40km). They can however now scramble for -2 at <15km instead of <7.5km. Essentially, they can now scramble quite decently, and avoid up to Medium Nosf. Large Nosf would still eat them.
Now, 20% is a number i pulled outta my rearend, so here's all the numbers from 5% to 30% (For comparisons sake, 30% would just be too much imho). Assuming lvl5 [Race] Frigate.
5% per level -> 25%
7.5 * 1.25 = 9.375 km
20 * 1.25 = 25 km
7.5% per level -> 37.5%
7.5 * 1.375 = 10.3125 km
20 * 1.275 = 27.5 km
10% per level -> 50% per level
7.5 * 1.5 = 11.25 km
20 * 1.5 = 30 km
15% per level -> 75%
7.5 * 1.75 = 13.125 km
20 * 1.75 = 35 km
20% per level -> 100%
7.5 * 2 = 15 km
20 * 2 = 40 km
Meh i recon anything over 20% starts getting obsessive. I think 10% should be the bare minimum though. And please remember, 40km is way beyond their targetting range.
For comparison, Targetting ranges for the four Tacklers with lvl5 skills and with a SB II between brackets:
Executioner: 25 (40)
Condor: 31.25 (50)
Atron: 27.5 (44)
Slasher: 21.25 (34)
EDIT:
Spelling and stuff
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.10.21 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 21/10/2005 14:09:59
That's the beauty! You can do that, one SB II + 1 Disruptor. But these ships will then be slow as hell. By fitting an SB II to up that Targetting Range, you lose flexibility. You make an actual sacrifice, which can be worth it, or can mean your death.
EDIT:
Also, i noted the other numbers for a reason. 20% is just a suggestion, i still consider the other ones a good bonus too.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.10.21 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 21/10/2005 14:25:33
Well, i said Scramblers didnt i.
Dont want this on Webbers, i completely agree.
EDIT:
Also, the Bhaalgorn gets a Webbing range bonus too...
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.10.21 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 21/10/2005 17:41:36
Out of sheer interest, why are you comparing the best med projectiles to the worst med blasters? Last time my alt flew a thorax i hadnt a problem fitting Med Ions + tank.
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I think anyway :/ Didnt like the thorax too much, went to a vexor instead.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.10.21 17:51:00 -
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Meh i suppose.
But i was thinking, Ions do quite a bit more damage. Might make up for the lack of tanking. That's how it should work anyway.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.10.22 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 22/10/2005 23:10:00
My best Vengeance setup so far involved 200mm AC II. It still sucked though.
I've heard some good things about a blaster + rocket Hawk, but the only reason thats semi-decent is because noone expects it. Another missile sure wouldnt hurt.
Jaguar wouldnt be too bad if it was faster, like a mini-Vagabond. The Vaga can reach 3km/sec, ive yet to get my Jag over 2,5km/sec.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.10.28 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 28/10/2005 23:26:40
Something i dont get.
The Rifter, which is and always has been a very usefull Frigate in PvP is getting a boost. It also loses one of the few things that actually set it out. So why, instead of making it similar to other ships, not maintain its difference and try to find other niches for the useless Frigates? Such as say, the entire Amarr line-up really.
Now, ill happily admit the Punisher is usefull for NPCing, but lets be honest here: Who the hell uses Punishers in PvP? Right, noone does. It's slow, only has 2 mids and its damage output isnt anything special. (Its alright, but nothing that makes up for the other two disadvantages.)
It just doesnt make sense - You're making Frigates more similar again.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.11.11 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 11/11/2005 13:19:55
Originally by: Tuxford
yeah I know that wasn't directed at you, just any people that think that Eagle will be the uber HAC of pwnage after the changes.
Noone said itd be the uber HAC of pwnage as you so adequatly put it, just that is outclasses the Sacrilege in every possible way.
EDIT: Typo.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.11.21 06:26:00 -
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Untill you take into account the Rifter was already a overly used PvP ship and the Punisher wasn't.
Number of slots doesn't tell the whole story, and even with resists the Punisher still won't be used in PvP.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.11.27 21:11:00 -
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The Thorax had its 200 m3 Dronebay cut in half, which makes it 100m3. [b]All Ships[/i] then got their Drone Bay halved again, including the Thorax, giving it 50m3.
Read Stickies ftw.
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